Marmon Research Notes

Information from Bill Deak:

From: WHDEAK5710@aol.com

To: sammy-jody-love@worldnet.att.net

Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:31 PM

Subject: 1828 CENSUS 

Hi Jody,       What a day!!!!!
  I finally received a reply from Beth Long ----- Temesvar had its own
census taken that is why it is not in the county book.  I did receive many
requests for look ups.
    In Mehala I found :
 Marmon Jakob - House # 453                                Page 148
 Marmon Johan - House # 454
 Marmon Peter  - House # 459    LDS Film # for these three #623,133
 
    In Fibis ( Fibisch) I found:
 Marmon Joanes - House # 101   LDS Film # 623,130

    In Merrzsidorf ( Mercydorf) I found:
  Ingris Joanes   House #139        LDS Film # 623,133
  Schuck Joseph  House # 302       "      "        "      "
  
   I thought I would list these other spellings, they could be your people.

   My mother Klara Kuppis is from Shag -Temes County & My father Jozsef Deak
is from Magyar Szente Marton  Torontal County.
   I do hope this helps your research.
   
  Bill
   Surnames Deak, Kuppis, Virag, Draga, Bodnar and Fodor.

John Marmon - Phil., Pa.

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMON Johann -[M655]- Age: 47 -From: Temeswar (b, abt 1865)
-DtAr: Monday, 15 Apr 1912 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Bre/NY -Ship: Geo Washington
-Note: Accompanied by wife, Theresia 45 and kids, Magdalena 21, Josef 16 and Nikolaus 13,

 all born in Temeswar. Bro-in-law, Johann Bernard, lives in Feraiczvoros Roter?. 

Going to join bro-in-law, Stefan Hajlamasr? 

Jan 10, 1920 US Fed Census

John Marmon Magyarorszag

206 W. Thompson St, Phil Pa  ED#  357

John 54 W all imm 1912 Hungary German  (b abt: 1866)

Brass works Brass Shop

Helen 27 no job (born abt 1893)

Joseph 23 Iron worker Sheet metal Co (born abt 1897)

Nick 21 Auto Mechanic (born abt 1899)

Sis in Law:  Helen  Gerrrger 64 no job

Poss Nic

Nick Marmon SS# 188-12-7600 - B 30 Apr 1899 d Feb 1964

Addr: Pa

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Josef -[M655]- Age: 46 -From: Temeswar-Mehala (b abt 1860)
-DtAr: Tuesday, 27 Mar 1906 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Going to join brother, Franz Marmann.

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Anna -[M655]- Age: 23 -From: Temeswar-Mehala  (b abt 1883)
-DtAr: Tuesday, 27 Mar 1906 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Accompanied by daughters, Kristina 8 and Magdalena 6. Going to join husband, Franz Marmann.

Feb 3, 1920 US Fed Census 

1439 N Howard St. Phil Phil Pa ED#: 354

Frank Marmon  48 (b abt  1872) imm 1904 Hungary German – Dyer – Dye House

Anna 36 ( b abt 1884 ) imm 1905 no job

Joseph 13 (b abt 1907 ) b Pa.

Kristina  (b abt 1898 ) & Magdalena (b abt 1900) not on list

Poss Joseph (b abt 19070 :

Joseph Marmon SS# 164-09-1906-Pa b 21 Dec 1906 d Jul 1979

Addr: 08053  Marlton, Burlington, NJ

Other poss: Anna H. Marmon # 165-12-5482 b 28 Sep 1907 d 9 Jan 2000 same zip info

411:

J S Marmon  Phone: 856-983-7679

62 Radnor Blvd
Marlton, NJ 08053

Known Marmon’s in Georgia: Uncle Anton – Franks Dad

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Anton -[M655]- Age: 24 -From: Temeswar-Mehala (b abt 1882 )
-DtAr: Friday, 16 Mar 1906 - To: Atlanta, GA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Ultonia
-Note: Going to join bro-in-law, Michael Schik [*16 Aug 1880 oo Susanna NN].

MARMANN Susanna -[M655]- Age: 23 -From: Temeswar-Mehala
-DtAr: Monday, 14 May 1906 - To: Atlanta, GA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Accompanied by daughter, Maria 2/12. Going to join husband, Anton Marmann.

Marmon’s from Fibis [in Masloc KB’s].

Fibis [founded before 1446 [possibly in 1380]/known as Fyüves]

Village Names: German: Fibisch/ Romanian: Fibis/ Hungarian: Temesfüres/ Variants: Fiwisch; Fibes on 1761 map of Banat.

Location: in Timis County/Romania, at 30 km NE of Timisoara.

The church was build in 1856 and was established in the honor of Nativitatem B.M.V. by the inhabitants.

Genealogical Records:

Fibis was always a filial parish of Blumenthal / Masloc

Church records at FHL for Masloc: see Blumenthal [founded in 1770]

Village name at FHL: Blumenthal, Maslak [microfilm no. 0858417, 0858426]

Church records at FHL: B 1771-1848, M 1771-1858, D 1771-1848

Church records at National Archive in Timisoara:

B 1771-1905

M 1771-1897

D 1771-1895; Missing D 1822-1847 [one KB’s]

Church build in 1788 and was established in the honor of S. Bartholomaeum.

Starting 1895 civil registration on site.

The conclusion is that there is no direct prove yet that the Marmon’s from Fibis are linked directly with the Mehala’s Marmon’s. We did not find any trace of the Mehala’s Marmon’s in the Masloc KB’s.

The Marmon’s –Georg & Elisabetha with several children- settled in Fibis around 1803-1804 from an unknown location. The first ge in which they are involved is:

·        B 13.11.1804, JACOB, so GEORGIUS MAURMANN & ELISABETHA, PNCC JACOB MAJER, ELISABETHA his wife

·        D 1.03.1807, GEORGIUS MARMANN, 5y[B~1802], patria: FIBISCH [MC: but he was not B/C in FIBIS/MASLOC ~1802]

·        B 8.06.1807, JOANNES, so JOANNES [MC: the full name of the father was Joannes Georgius OR the priest did a mistake OR we have another Marmon couple here? I suspect that the last possibility is the good one because in 1819 a Joannes, so of Georgius will M in Fibis] MARMON & ELISABETHA IERGERin/IERGENin [MC: is she the do Mathias & Elisabetha? But she was not B in Fibis], PNCC JACOB MAJER, ELISABETHA, his wife

MC: between 1807-1815 no other ge –B/C, M, D- in which the Marmon’s are involved [but I did not checked the godparents and the witness at M] was found in Fibis.

·        B 12.07.1816, KATALIN, do GEORG MARMON & ELISABETHA

·        B 13.12.1819, BARBARA, do GEORG MARMANN & ELISABETHA [MC: their last child in Fibis; from here we can presume that the parents were >40y old; so, B~1780 and M~1800]

There are other children of this couple who will M in Fibis and we suspect that are the children of the same couple Georg & Elisabetha B in another village:

·        M 7.02.1819, Masloc Parish

-JOANNES, so GEORGII MARMAN & ELISABETHA, coelebs from FIBIS

-MARGARETHA, do GEORG HERR & MARGARETHA, coelebs from FIBIS

TNCC ANTON BERGMANN, IGNATIUS ALTENBACH

·        M 29.01.1828

-FRIDERICUS EBENSBERGER, juvenis

-IULIANNA MARMON, virgo

TNCC FRIEDRIC EISELE, ANTON LUMP

MC: because this Fridericus Ebensberger will re-M~1848 with Eva Helfrich [B~1825/28.07.1821 in Neudorf (bei Lippa) as do Peter Joannes Helferich/Hellferich/Helfferich & Susanna Kirchner; D 26.05.1851, Fibis at 26y], I suspect that Iulianna D<1848 in Fibis. Unfortunately, the period 1821-1848 for D is not covered in the Romanian archives due a missing record. BUT this period is covered by the Masloc FHL microfilm [so, search there for Iuliana’s D date and place of origin is more than needed].

Because:

·        M2. 31.05.1830

-GEORGIUS RUPPMICH, viduus

-ELISABETHA MARMON vidua

I suspect that Georgius Marmon D<1830 [but >1828 when is listed in the 1828 Land Census as Gyurka/the Hungarian form for the Latin Georgius/ living in H 24] and a search for this ge in the FHL microfilm is more then needed [for Georgius’s exact D date, age and place of origin].

Other children:

·        M 29.01.1828

-JOSEPHUS MARMON, iuvenis

-ANNA LINDNER, virgo

both from FIBIS

TNCC ANDREA VRANIS, JOANNES MANSFELD

·        D 23.11.1862, JOSEPHUS MARMON, 53y[B~1809], from GLOGOVACZ [MC: this is German: Glogowatz/ Romanian: Vladimirescu, Glogovãt/ Hungarian: Othalom/ Variants: Glogowitz, Glogovatz. Location: in Arad County, Romania, at 4 km E of Arad City; Village name at FHL: Glogovatz, Othalom [microfilm no. 1190291, 1190292]; Church records at FHL: B 1770-1835, M 1770-1835, D 1770-1835], living in H 71 FIBIS, agricola, maritus MARIA ANNA LINTNER, M for 35y

MC: as you can see, Georg & Elisabetha did not had any children in Fibis between 1808-1816; so, a search in FHL’s Glogovatz microfilms for more details is more than needed.

·        D 27.12.1857, JACOB MARMON, agricola, maritus CATHARINA HELFERT, M for 10y[M~1847], 53y[B~1804] originally from FIBIS, living in H 243 Fibis, communis/common cause of D

·        M2. 24.08.1847, in ZABRANI [ie Guttenbrunn]

-JAKOB MARMON, widow from FIBIS

-KATHARINA HELFERT, B 14.03.1825 in ZABRANI, do GEORG & ELISABETHA STIEKEL

·        M 20.11.1831

-LEOPOLDUS NIEDBAMMER, coel.

-CATHARINA MARMONN, coel.

·        M 15.11.1836

-TIMPEL FERENCZ, 24y, coeleb

-MARMON BORBÁLA, 17y[B~1819], originally from FIBIS, living in FIBIS

·        M 29.01.1839

-SCHIFF ISTVÁN, 18y, coeleb from FIBIS

-MARMON BORBALA, 19y[B~1820], hajadon from FIBIS

MC: which is the daughter of Georg B on 13.12.1819? Because we have 2 Barbara, I think that we have also 2 Marmon couples at the beginning of XIX Century.

Other ge:

·        M2. 15.10.1829

-ANTON HACKSBACHER, coelebs from CHARLOTTENBURG

-MARGARETHA MARMON vidua [MC: so, Margaretha NN, widow after Marmon] from FIBIS

TNCC GEORG JÄGER, JACOB MARMON

I did not find this NN Marmon male D in Fibis due the missing record D 1821-1848. Search in FHL microfilm for the D date/age/etc for this NN Marmon.  

I did search for another clues [mainly in the Masloc D records up to 1871] but no other important ge were found.  

I did search also in the FB for:
-Neudorf bei Lippa

-Lippa

-Guttenbrunn

-Engelsbrunn

-Schondorf

-Saderlach

-Pischia

-Giarmata

for the trace of the Marmon’s [unfortunately, without any success].

Marmons to the US

Marmon Arrivals to US – in order of arrival 

Group 1: Arrived April 01, 1906  - Ethnic: Hungary-German

Ship: Pannonia  - Port: Carnaro, Triest, Austria

Maslak (also known as Blumenthal) 

Miklos Marmon

Maslak

1906

32

Miklos Marmon

Maslak

1906

8

Anna Marmon

Maslak

1906

30

Roza Marmon

Maslak

1906

10

Manifest information for above family:

Wifes name does not look like Anna to me, not able to read.

Joining Bro in law:   George Kaufmann

Glen Ullin N. Dakota 

Group 2:  Arrived: February 20, 1910 - Ethnic: Hungary German

Ship: Graf Waldersee - Port: Hamburg, Germany 

Josef Marmon

Meheta, Hungary

1910

55

Joining Brother Franz Marmon @  1336 4^th  Phil Pa.

Born in Mehala

Previously in US 1906 and 1909

Note: BiL still in Mehala: Josef Kaubin ? 

Line # 14: Kucseleics, Anna  39 widow? Born in Mehala

Also Joining cousin Franz Marmon @ 1336 4^th St. Phil Pa

Back in Mehala is Brother Gyorgy / George Marmon

Looks to me like:   Kucsekics 

Just a few lines above his entry is

Maria Janisch 28 : born in Mehala- (Possible Ingrisch??)

back in Mehala is husband Johann Janisch.

Mihaly Schneider 76? : Mother back in Mehala: Margaretha Schuster

 - both deported 

Page 2 Marmon Arrivals to US 

Group 3:  Arrived: April 15, 1912  -   Ethnicity: Hungary, German

Ship:  George Washington -  Port:  Bremen, Germany 

Janos Marmon

Temesvar, Hungary

1912

47

Theresia Marmon

Temesvar, Hungary

1912

45

Magdadena Marmon

Temesvar, Hungary

1912

21

Josef Marmon

Temesvar, Hungary

1912

16

Miklos Marmon

Temesvar, Hungary

1912

13

Janos: Farm labor

Joining Bro in law: Stefan Hajlasuasz or Hajlamas-r or z

Addr: 1113 Orianna St, Phil Pa

Nearest Relative: in Temesvar Bro in Law: Robar Feranczvaros

Traveling with them & also joining Stefan H :

Magdalena Ja”rger 56 widow

Nearest Relative: in Temesvar Son: Miklos Ja’rger  

Group 4:  Arrived June 22, 1914 -  Ethnicity:  Hungary, German

Ship: Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm  - Port: Bremen, Germany 

Miklos Marmon

Jemesfuzos, Hungary

1914

16

Born in Temesfuze – Single - Farmer

Joining Brother Johann Marmon 328 E. 95^th St., NY

Nearest Relative: Johann Marmon in Temesfures

Occ: Taylor

Joining Bro in Law: Mihol Lump – 336 E 95^th St, NyNy

Nearest Relative: Father Johann Marmon – Temesvar

Marmon, Miklos 13y April 15, 1912
Hungary, German - Tenservar, Hungary
George Washington, Bremen, Germany

 Family traveling together:

0024. Marmon, Janos M 47y M Hungary, German
0025. Marmon, Theresia F 45y M Hungary, German
0026. Marmon, Magdadena F21y S Hungary, German
028.  Marmon, Miklos M 13y S Hungary, German

Marmon, Josef  55y - February 20, 1910
Hungary German - Meheta, Hungary
Graf Waldersee
Hamburg, Germany

Joining : B-I-Law?? Stefan Hajlasuasr??

1113 Orianna  , Phil Pa

Marmon, Josef  55y February 20, 1910
Hungary German - Meheta, Hungary
Graf Waldersee, Hamburg, Germany

Going to Phil Pa to join Brother Franz Marmon.

1336 4^th St.  – prev in US 1904 or 09??

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Anna -[M655]- Age: 23 -From: Temeswar-Mehala  (b abt 1883 )
-DtAr: Tuesday, 27 Mar 1906 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Accompanied by daughters, Kristina 8 and Magdalena 6. Going to join husband, Franz Marmann.

Feb 3, 1920 US Fed Census 

1439 N Howard St. Phil Phil Pa ED#: 354

Frank Marmon  48 (b abt  1872) imm 1904 Hungary German – Dyer – Dye House

Anna 36 ( b abt 1884 ) imm 1905 no job

Joseph 13 (b abt 1907 ) b Pa.

Kristina  (b abt 1898 ) & Magdalena (b abt 1900 )not on list

Poss Joseph (b abt 1907) in Social Security Death Index: :

Joseph Marmon SS# 164-09-1906-Pa b 21 Dec 1906 d Jul 1979

Addr: 08053  Marlton, Burlington, NJ

Other poss: Anna H. Marmon # 165-12-5482 b 28 Sep 1907 d 9 Jan 2000 same zip info

411:

J S Marmon  Phone: 856-983-7679

62 Radnor Blvd
Marlton, NJ 08053  

01-Oct-2002 called # above and spoke to Mrs., said Joseph Jr is not home.  Said Frank, Anna and all children are deceased, gave t# for daughter of Magdalena “Blanche” – Christine Duffy 856-875-1918.

03-Oct-2002 received call from Joseph Jr., chatted a bit and he said Christine was expecting my call at 7pm.  I called the same night and we had a nice chat.

Christina confirms the above Group # 1 is her Mother and Grandparents family.  She never knew Frank as he died while Magdalena was pregnant with her.   Frank Marmon died March of 1923 and Christina was born Oct 1923. 

Frank, as well as all the family is buried at Holy Redeemer Cemetery in Bridesburg, Philadelphia Pa. 

Franks wife Anna was his second wife.  His first wife, name unknown died when the children were young and Anna raised them like her own.  Anna was 12 years younger than Frank when they got married.  ( on the immigration manifest dated 27 Mar 1906, Anna was 23 years old.   

More………below……

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMON Johann -[M655]- Age: 47 -From: Temeswar (b, abt 1865)
-DtAr: Monday, 15 Apr 1912 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Bre/NY -Ship: Geo Washington
-Note: Accompanied by wife, Theresia 45 and kids, Magdalena 21, Josef 16 and Nikolaus 13,

 all born in Temeswar. Bro-in-law, Johann Bernard, lives in Feraiczvoros Roter?. 

Going to join bro-in-law, Stefan Hajlamasr?

Jan 10, 1920 US Fed Census

John Marmon Magyarorszag

206 W. Thompson St, Phil Pa  ED#  357

John 54 W all immigrated to US 1912 Hungary German  (b abt: 1866)

Brass works Brass Shop

Helen 27 no job (born abt 1893 )

Joseph 23 Iron worker Sheet metal Co (born abt 1897 )

Nick 21 Auto Mechanic (born abt 1899 )

Sis in Law:  Helen  Gerrrger 64 no job

Found a possible for Nic:

Nick Marmon SS# 188-12-7600 - B 30 Apr 1899 d Feb 1964

Addr: Pa 

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Josef -[M655]- Age: 46 -From: Temeswar-Mehala (b abt 1860 )
-DtAr: Tuesday, 27 Mar 1906 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Going to join brother, Franz Marmann. 

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

Group 4:  Arrived June 22, 1914 -  Ethnicity:  Hungary, German

Ship: Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm  - Port: Bremen, Germany 

Miklos Marmon

Jemesfuzos, Hungary

1914

16

(Mikos: Nicolaus) Born in Temesfuze (Temesvar) – Single – Farmer 

Joining Brother Johann Marmon 328 E. 95^th St., NY

Nearest Relative: Father: Johann Marmon in Temesfures

Occupation: Taylor

Joining Bro in Law: Mihol Lump – 336 E 95^th St, Ny Ny

 

2nd?:

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Anna -[M655]- Age: 23 -From: Temeswar-Mehala  (b abt 1883 )
-DtAr: Tuesday, 27 Mar 1906 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Accompanied by daughters, Kristina 8 and Magdalena 6. Going to join husband, Franz Marmann.

 

Feb 3, 1920 US Fed Census 

1439 N Howard St. Phil Phil Pa ED#: 354

Frank Marmon  48 (b abt  1872) imm 1904 Hungary German – Dyer – Dye House

Anna 36 ( b abt 1884 ) imm 1905 no job

Joseph 13 (b abt 1907 ) b Pa.

Kristina  (b abt 1898 ) & Magdalena (b abt 1900 )not on list

 

Poss Joseph (b abt 1907) in Social Security Death Index: :

Joseph Marmon SS# 164-09-1906-Pa b 21 Dec 1906 d Jul 1979

Addr: 08053  Marlton, Burlington, NJ

Other poss: Anna H. Marmon # 165-12-5482 b 28 Sep 1907 d 9 Jan 2000 same zip info

 

411:

J S Marmon  Phone: 856-983-7679 

62 Radnor Blvd
Marlton, NJ 08053  

01-Oct-2002 called # above and spoke to Mrs., said Joseph Jr is not home.  Said Frank, Anna and all children are deceased, gave t# for daughter of Magdalena “Blanche” – Christine Duffy 856-875-1918. 

03-Oct-2002 received call from Joseph Jr., chatted a bit and he said Christine was expecting my call at 7pm.  I called the same night and we had a nice chat.

Christina confirms the above Group # 1 is her Mother and Grandparents family.  She never knew Frank as he died while Magdalena was pregnant with her.   Frank Marmon died March of 1923 and Christina was born Oct 1923.   

Frank, as well as all the family is buried at Holy Redeemer Cemetery in Bridesburg, Philadelphia Pa.   

Franks wife Anna was his second wife.  His first wife, name unknown died when the children were young and Anna raised them like her own.  Anna was 12 years younger than Frank when they got married.  ( on the immigration manifest dated 27 Mar 1906, Anna was 23 years old.     

More………below……

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMON Johann -[M655]- Age: 47 -From: Temeswar (b, abt 1865)
-DtAr: Monday, 15 Apr 1912 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Bre/NY -Ship: Geo Washington
-Note: Accompanied by wife, Theresia 45 and kids, Magdalena 21, Josef 16 and Nikolaus 13,

 all born in Temeswar. Bro-in-law, Johann Bernard, lives in Feraiczvoros Roter?. 

Going to join bro-in-law, Stefan Hajlamasr?

  

Jan 10, 1920 US Fed Census

John Marmon Magyarorszag

206 W. Thompson St, Phil Pa  ED#  357

John 54 W all immigrated to US 1912 Hungary German  (b abt: 1866)

Brass works Brass Shop

Helen 27 no job (born abt 1893 )

Joseph 23 Iron worker Sheet metal Co (born abt 1897 )

Nick 21 Auto Mechanic (born abt 1899 )

Sis in Law:  Helen  Gerrrger 64 no job

Found a possible for Nic:

Nick Marmon SS# 188-12-7600 - B 30 Apr 1899 d Feb 1964

Addr: Pa 

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

MARMANN Josef -[M655]- Age: 46 -From: Temeswar-Mehala (b abt 1860 )
-DtAr: Tuesday, 27 Mar 1906 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia
-Note: Going to join brother, Franz Marmann. 

Passenger Record at the Ellis Island site:

Group 4:  Arrived June 22, 1914 -  Ethnicity:  Hungary, German

Ship: Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm  - Port: Bremen, Germany 

Miklos Marmon

Jemesfuzos, Hungary

1914

16

(Mikos: Nicolaus) Born in Temesfuze (Temesvar) – Single – Farmer 

Joining Brother Johann Marmon 328 E. 95^th St., NY

Nearest Relative: Father: Johann Marmon in Temesfures

Occupation: Taylor

Joining Bro in Law: Mihol Lump – 336 E 95^th St, Ny Ny

Name: Stella O Klapper
Death Date: 12 Oct 1945
Race: W
Gender: F
County of Death: Fulton
Certificate: 20512
Age: 85 years

Name: Raymond Klapper
Death Date: 23 Nov 1937
Gender:
County of Death: Fulton
Certificate: 28632